Hello ! Welcome to my blog :) This one is a presentation of some data i got from ChatGPT for a group discussion in which i was told to cite how Jesus and Lucifer are the same archetype. I am in a huge hurry to get my dishes washed and go outside to soak up some Sun and Wind on this gorgeous Spring day so i will just present some information ChatGPT typed up for me. Chat was very diplomatic when explaining the meme, but i do believe Christianity is based on Paganism, and is a false religion used to keep Souls weak, and drain them through worship. We are in the time when information will help free humans from the control system they have been under for many years. I had a Dark Night of the Soul when i realized the lies, but the Other Side of that is pretty awesome and happy.
The Fish, the Mitre, and the Light-Bringer: Explaining the Meme
This meme circulates because it compresses thousands of years of religious symbolism into one visual comparison. It is not claiming that Christianity secretly worships a Mesopotamian god; rather, it highlights how symbols travel, transform, and are reinterpreted across cultures.
1. Dagon, Ea/Enki, and the Fish Archetype
In the ancient Near East, fish symbolism long predates Christianity.
Ea (Sumerian) / Enki (Akkadian) was a god of wisdom, fresh water, creation, and civilization. He is often depicted with fish imagery or as a being emerging from the waters.
Dagon, associated with the Levant and Mesopotamian regions, was connected to fertility, grain, and sometimes fish symbolism (the exact nature of Dagon is debated among scholars, but later traditions strongly linked him with fish imagery).
In these cultures, water and fish symbolized life, knowledge, and sustenance — not evil, secrecy, or deception.
2. The Mitre (Priest Hat) Comparison
The meme highlights the visual similarity between:
Ancient fish-cloaked priestly garments and
The Christian mitre, worn by bishops and the pope
This resemblance has been noted by historians and art scholars for over a century. It does not prove identity of worship; it demonstrates symbolic inheritance. As religions spread, they often adopt familiar visual language so new teachings feel recognizable to converts.
Syncretism — the blending of symbols — is a documented historical process, not a conspiracy theory.
3. Christianity and the Fish (Ichthys)
Early Christians used the fish (Ichthys) symbol as a sign of recognition, especially during periods of persecution.
The Greek word Ichthys formed an acronym meaning “Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.”
Fish symbolism also aligned naturally with existing meanings: nourishment, rebirth, and life.
Using the fish made Christianity legible within the symbolic world of the Roman and Near Eastern Mediterranean, where fish imagery was already sacred.
4. The Morning Star and Light-Bringer Theme
The meme indirectly gestures toward a broader archetype: the Light-Bringer / Revealer.
Ancient gods like Enki brought knowledge to humanity.
Biblical texts refer to both Jesus and earlier figures using Morning Star imagery.
In comparative mythology and Jungian psychology, this reflects an archetype, not a single historical person or deity.
5. What the Meme Is — and Is Not
This meme is:
A commentary on symbolic continuity
A visual shorthand for comparative religion
A reminder that no religion emerges in a vacuum
This meme is not:
Proof that Christianity is secretly pagan
A denial of anyone’s faith
An attack on individual believers
Conclusion
Symbols survive empires, languages, and doctrines. The fish endures because it speaks to something ancient in human consciousness: life emerging from the deep.
Understanding this does not weaken faith — it deepens historical awareness. Religious traditions are not erased by acknowledging their roots; they are contextualized.
The meme unsettles people not because it is offensive, but because it reminds us that history is layered, and meaning is inherited as much as it is revealed.
Scholarly & Historical Sources About Jesus and Lucifer Are the Same Archetype
1. Lucifer = “Light-Bringer” (pre-Christian)
Isaiah 14:12 uses Helel ben Shachar
Translated into Latin as Lucifer = light-bearer / morning star
This passage:
-
Is not originally about Satan
-
Refers to a fallen king (likely Babylon)
-
Was later reinterpreted by Church tradition
📚 Source:
-
Oxford Bible Commentary
-
New Oxford Annotated Bible
2. Jesus explicitly claims the same title
Jesus says:
“I am the bright morning star.”
— Revelation 22:16
Same symbol. Same celestial archetype.
📚 Source:
-
New Testament, canonical text
You can calmly say:
“Both figures are associated with the Morning Star / Light-Bringer symbol.”
That’s just text. No opinion.
3. Gnostic Christianity (very important)
Early Christian sects did not agree with later Church doctrine.
Some Gnostic traditions viewed:
-
The serpent as a liberator of knowledge
-
The creator god (Demiurge) as flawed or tyrannical
-
Jesus as a revealer sent to awaken humanity
📚 Sources:
-
Elaine Pagels, The Gnostic Gospels
-
Nag Hammadi Library (esp. Gospel of Thomas, Apocryphon of John)
Pagels is a Harvard religious historian, not fringe.
4. Archetypal Psychology (Jungian)
Carl Jung discusses the Light-Bringer / Shadow-Redeemer archetype:
-
Figures who bring consciousness
-
Are rejected, cast down, or killed
-
Function as catalysts for awakening
Jesus and Lucifer both fit this archetypal role depending on narrative lens.
📚 Sources:
-
Carl Jung, Answer to Job
-
Jung, Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious
This is psychology, not theology.
5. Comparative Mythology
The archetype predates Christianity:
-
Prometheus — brings fire/light, punished
-
Phosphoros (Greek) — morning star
-
Enki (Sumerian) — giver of forbidden knowledge
-
Quetzalcoatl — civilizing light-bringer
📚 Source:
-
Joseph Campbell, The Masks of God
-
Mircea Eliade, Myth and Reality
“In comparative mythology and Jungian archetypal studies, both Jesus and Lucifer are associated with the ‘Light-Bringer / Morning Star’ archetype — a revealer of consciousness who challenges established authority — though Christian doctrine later separated them into moral opposites.”
